so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
Marvin, I click your name and boom.
Sorry. That does not prove your assertion of me true.
My posting history is there for anyone who wants to read it. But your assertion of me that I asked you to prove true is not about my posting history. Right?
Are you content to keep up your attempt at moving the goal post?
so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
I can make any assertion I want. YOU can't do anything about.
Of course you can make any assertion you want. Oh, and I can do something about it. I can ask that you prove your assertion true. I've done that in this discussion with one of your assertions. You could not prove your assertion true. So you made up some obfuscation instead.
Why not lash out at some of the assertions that people made in this thread? Because if you did you would be warring with daddy. You don't want that.
I don't know exactly who or what you're talking about, perhaps Simon. I don't know. In various ways in this discussion I have asked various participants to evidence claims they've made. Some have ponied up and some have not been able to. In most cases things boil down to disagreement about how different participants perceive behaviors at issue in the McKinney incident, and I'm completely okay with that and take no exception to it. But then we have someone like you that takes it upon himself to lay a specific accusation onto someone (me in this case) that is patently false and when asked to prove it and finding you can't you spew ad hominem. I hope it makes you feel better, but it is nonsense nevertheless.
As for Simon, he and I are not exactly buddies. When we disagree I don't hold back my view. Does that align with your latest innuendo of my person? Maybe you should do a little more research on that one.
so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
COPS is a horrible basis to use for anything.
Not when it contradicts the very thing suggested in full living color. Otherwise I wholly agree with you. Perhaps the person who said what they said should have spoken more precisely.
so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
Marvin, let me restate that. You started this thread with the hopes it would go where you wanted it to go. The other two people just took it there. That is your Mode of Operation.
That is the kind of complete nonsense I hate in Watchtower and when I see it in others I call them out for it too!
I started this thread to have a decent adult discussion of a current news item. I did not start this thread to suggest anything about race. But then you come along and sling an accusation on my person asserting that I brought a racial element into this.
So what do you do when asked to prove what you say? You make up crap like the above suggesting, basically, NOTHING, except a negative innuendo of a supposed MO. People who make assertions have a burden to prove those assertions true, not to spew ambiguity and innuendo.
so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
If the race roles were reversed and there was a 200 lb. black cop with both his knees in the back of "lil Becky Sue" you guys would be screaming bloody murder for his arrest and crooning incessantly about how unprofessional his actions were.
On occasion I've watched a television reality show titled Cops. To me this is one of true reality shows.
Here's what I saw repeatedly:
People of every race and gender who acted badly met stiff confrontation from responding law enforcement personnel. I've seen it happen to white and black "Becky Sues". If you behave badly and act contrary to reasonable instructions from the police the likely outcome is getting handcuffed at least. If you don't immediately comply to the handcuffing then force will be met with force until you're the one with the knee in your back. I finally stopped watching the show because it was the same scene over and over again, no matter the city, no matter the race and no matter the gender.
so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
YOU and two others made this THREAD a race-based thread.
There you go again. Please show me where I've raised race as an element of this incident. Can you do that?
so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
Do you realize that you and violas and Marvin are the only ones for the first 4 pages who brought the racial elementinto this?
Please show me where I raised race as an element. Can you do that?
so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
It's sad that young kids have to exposed to such treatment so young.I winced when I heard the bikini gal crying that she wanted her momma. But you know what? She should have listened to the officer and followed his instruction to disperse. It would have taken her only a few seconds to do that. But what does she do? She meanders around. Takes forever. Has to be instructed to leave multiple times. Then when she has nearly left the scene what does she do? She turns around and starts walking right back to the scene.
so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
However with respect to how the officer escalated the event we can surely conclude that the outcome was in spite of the officers actions, and not because of them.
Maybe, maybe not. And there lay the conundrum. The officer at issue was one of several, and all of them looked busy to me. They were running one way, then another. There were people everywhere, several of which were blatantly ignoring requests by policy to leave or sit down. Oh, and any one of these individuals could have been packing a weapon, something law enforcement is well aware of.
Remember the bikini gal? Watch her in the video. How many times did she have to be instructed to leave? How long does it take someone to leave the scene? Why does she find it necessary to start walking back toward the scene? What is wrong with this gal? If she does not want to be confronted by police then she needs to stop confronting the police and just leave.
So did this scene end well in part because of this officers actions, or despite his actions. I can't say for sure and no one can. What I can say is that based purely on the video I don't find his actions particularly disturbing. More disturbing to me is what the misbehavior of those teens and adults tells me about the society we live in today. It's no wonder people want to have gated communities!!! It's no wonder people are getting fed up. Where are the parents? The police office at issue is not the one who started this thing. He was called to help mop up behind someone else who started a melee. This is the kind of crap we're thrusting our police officers into the middle of, and it's only getting worse because of population density.
Clue: If a police officer says sit down then SIT DOWN.
Another clue: If a police officer says leave the scene then BACK OFF. Keep your camera rolling if you have one. But BACK OFF.
Law enforcement is not called to the scene to babysit whinny "I-want-my-momma!" teenagers. Law enforcement is called to a scene to maintain safety and keep order.
so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.
my response: it shows a clash of expectations.
i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.
If you review the video again you'll see that when the officer turn towards the boy that ran up to him the boy quickly starts to back off ...
Watch the video in real time. This cop was reacting. He was not analyzing and choosing a course. When he felt his personal space being invaded by someone other than a uniformed officer he reacted immediately to preserve his own safety.
